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A Different Take on Marriage

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Introduction

 Ever since the internet became popular, starting with newsgroups, followed by managed websites and to the current day of bloggers, if there's one desi topic that's generated a large number of opinions, comments, heated discussions, it's the topic of arranged and love marriages and their related benefits and drawbacks. The participants usually belong to one of the two camps: Traditionalists who claim that arranged marriages create a harmonious society, low divorce rate, stable environment vs. the Modernists who claim that arranged marriages go against personal freedom (especially for women), are subtly forced, and create a boring, sexually frustrated society. The two camps have been talking past each other, each getting shriller than the other.

 

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This article seeks to provide a different, scientific perspective to the institution of marriage from a desi perspective. In a time when we see contradictory phenomenon of proliferating matrimonial sites and proliferation of unmarried/divorced people, the author hopes that this information will provide soccour to those who need it. By no means are the ideas expressed in this article perfect, since the author believes that perfection is a journey, not a goal.

 

Early days and Science

During the Neanderthal era, humans pretty much had the same behavioral tendencies as animals, even in terms of procreation. This process continued for a hundred thousand or more years, thus producing certain traits that will be discussed further in the article. Eventually, the modern man evolved from the sub-human, and brought forth guidelines and rules for civilized behavior. This too will be discussed further in the article.

 

Without further ado, let's get into the science of attraction.

 The Neanderthal man's worst enemies were not wild animals, earthquakes, volcanoes or tsunamis (although they certainly took their toll). His worst enemy was Disease. Over hundreds of thousands of years, many fatal diseases have come and Man has developed immunity to those. The segment of our DNA, called the major histocompatibility complex (MHC) codes for these disease-detecting structures, which functions as our immune system's eyes. These codes are also passed down to our offspring, who inherit both their parent's immunities - that is, if the father has immunity to diseases A & B, and the mother to B & C, the child has immunity to A, B and C. Over time, people from different civilizations have amassed immunities to hundreds of different diseases, based on their breeding culture and the extent of contact with other breeding cultures.

The post-Neanderthal man formed the first societies to inhabit the earth. The family was the bedrock of society, and certain rules and guidelines began to take form. The choice of mate was highly dependant on the ability to hunt, run, climb and perform other physical actions that the slowly developing agrarian societies demanded, including working well with others, sharing and division of labor. These characteristics are also encoded in our DNA, which decides our physical traits and also learns how to subconsciously spot those traits in the opposite sex.

There is a new concept that's becoming increasingly popular - that our DNA controls many of our actions. Indeed, it seems our DNA wants to perpetuate itself and become immortal in the process. That is, that our body is just a host for our DNA to live in. Our genes are selfish. Once our body becomes old and dies, our DNA needs another body to continue its existence – hence man’s natural desire to procreate. This is surprisingly similar to the Hindu concept that Atman sheds an old body and occupies a new one, thus being reborn.

 

As a result of this, our DNA has programmed our sexual preferences so as to maintain maximum possible potential to propagate itself via our offspring. This is a two-step process.

1. Face-Body

 Our proclivity to like or dislike someone based on face and/or body is an acquired trait that has been encoded into us in both the Neanderthal as well as the Modern eras. The Neanderthal era has affected how we evaluate bodies - height and long legs for running (either to chase prey or escape from predators), slimness to climb trees to pick fruit or escape from predators, muscular to fight, broad shoulders to carry animal carcasses etc. The Modern era has affected us in judging faces to look for signs of intelligence, cooperation, honesty, humility and other traits that are needed to rear a family and earn a living.

It needs to be mentioned here that just because a person's face/body suggest a certain nature is no guarantee that the person does posses that nature. A person with long legs need not be a great runner. Most swindlers and cheats have charming faces. There are plenty of dumb idiots out there who possess sharp noses. Face/Body suggests ancestral history, but not the inheritor’s personal history.

2. Smell/Body Odor

This is by far the most deterministic in whom we find attractive sexually. As mentioned before, mankind's worst enemy was not predators like lions or earthquakes/volcanoes, but disease. As a result, our genetic code has mutated itself to detect immunity MHC codes in potential mates through their sweat/perspiration. With one breath intake, your extremely powerful computer in our body can dissect the chemical signatures from the other person's sweat and compare their immunity codes to yours and determine the suitability of the person to share your offspring who will need to carry forth both your DNA's. Not only that, MHC codes also predict indicators of disease. Just by smell, your body will tell you that the other person has Diabetes. But first let me illustrate with some examples...

Let's say mankind has developed immunity to ten diseases (the actual number may very well be in thousands): A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I and J.

Combination 1: ABC

C2: DEF

C3: B

C4: ABCDEFGHI

C5: ABCDE

C6: FGHIJ

C7: J

 

If C1 meets C2, they will feel instant attraction, assuming the face/body match goes well. However, there will be a subconscious feeling that neither of them is complete because their offspring will lack GHIJ.

 

C3 will feel attracted to everyone: If it's a man he will be a skirt chaser, if a woman she will be a slut. Unless they have exceptional face/body, they will face rejection from everyone. Any acceptance due to exceptional face/body will be temporary. They will be one-night stands.

 

Everyone will want C4. With good face/body, they will be beauty queens or Mr. Universes. However, they will reject everyone they meet since they have no use for them. C7 will commit suicide for a C4.

 

But once a C5 meets a C6, boom - sparks will fly. He/She's the One. Phrases like "You complete me" will be used. High schools sweethearts who live together into a ripe old age belong to this category of combination.

 

Have you ever been in a situation where you are looking at someone for the first time and you absolutely hate him or her? You feel like punching them in the face even though they are perfectly normal people who are liked by others. Even though they do their work well you feel like finding fault with them. You feel like giving them lower grades, firing them, demoting them, and transferring them to another location. This is because you both are from exactly the same combination. Your DNA encoding is telling you to avoid them like the plague. They are your genealogical siblings.

 

Have you ever been in a situation where you like a person, despite overwhelming evidence of their shortcomings? That's because they are your genealogical opposite.

 

Your DNA controls you. Once you know this, you can wrest control back to yourself by making a constant, conscious effort every day of your life.

 

This brings us to the topic of this essay, how arranged marriages and love marriages fare under these circumstances.

 

(Arranged) Marriage

 

Let’s first dissect arranged marriages, or better yet so-called-arranged-marriages (SCAM for short), since we will discuss real arranged marriages later on.

 

The Scam usually begins with the boy’s family meeting multiple girls’ families, and vice-versa, from the same religion, caste, sub-caste, sub-sub-caste and language to narrow down prospective in-laws. Matching of horoscopes to further narrow down the candidates follows this. There is some asking around about the prospective family to find out if they are “tainted” in any way, i.e., any divorces, jailbirds, mentally challenged siblings exist for the bride or groom. There is the usually business of checking out the monetary aspect of the relationship, including preliminary talks about dowry and marriage expense.

 

Following this, the scamsters let the boy and the girl meet and see each other. Nowadays they let them speak to each other alone for a while. Then the boy and girl give their opinion and based on that, the actual event takes place after finalizing all the financial details.

 

In some cases, the boy and girl just exchange photographs and speak over the phone. In some other cases, the boy and the girl are not given the right to refuse. And in yet other rare cases, the girl is not even allowed to see the boy or his photo, but the boy is allowed that privilege.

 

There are the other issues in arranged marriages like dowry, who spends what on which part of the wedding etc, who pays for the expenses for delivery of children. In many cases, the expenses for the bride’s side of the family do not show any signs of ending. This has caused a whole segment of the population to hate the female child, resulting in female foeticide becoming rampant.

 

Love (marriage)

 

Let move on to the other major type: The love marriage or better put, self-help arranged marriage (SHAM for short). The way the sham works most of the time is: A man and a woman meet each other in a situation which is set up for some other purpose (college for study, office for working, gym for exercising, mall for shopping etc), (mis)use the said environment to get to know each other better, and take the big leap. Considerations like caste, language, religion, race do not play much of a role in decision making. This is usually done after months or even years of courtship. In India, this is shrouded in secrecy due to the disapproving eye of society. Once the two decide to get married, their families are told. In many cases, the families disown their children. In some others, they grudgingly accept the situation and bless them. In yet other rare cases, they happily accept and support their children. And in other rare cases, they get their own children killed in order to save face in society.

 

This kind of marriage is found to be fraught with a high divorce rate in almost all societies, although in recent times the divorce rate in India for arranged marriages are fast catching up. There is a high degree of match in the MHC codes in such relationships, since without that mutual attraction is not possible. This usually gives rise to healthier offspring that is stronger in resisting disease.

 

Real Arranged Marriages

 

After this brief overview of the two major types of marriages, let us quickly go back and understand the concept of marriage itself. The institution of marriage was formed at the dawn of civilization. Indeed, marriage is a major bedrock of all civilizations, and the disruption in the institution of marriage has been the harbinger of the fall of most extinct civilizations, be in Egyptian, Roman, Scythian etc.

 

When the earliest hunter-gatherer societies were formed, the elders had to come up with a sustainable system. This was possible only by strictly regulating behavior that could disrupt the harmony of the society. This regulation was not just limited to who could use how much water or grain, limitations on hunting, limitations on consumption of land and other resources, but also limitation on a person’s sexual life. This meant that a person’s sexual preferences were at the mercy of the society around him/her, and society had to come up with a system which not only took best care of the individual’s preferences, but also create an environment where the harmony of society was not disrupted.

 

In the phrase “Arranged marriage”, the first word is redundant. Marriage has meaning only if it is arranged. In the earliest societies, down to just a century ago, marriage was arranged all over the world by the people who were closest to the individuals. From the person’s childhood onwards, parents, uncles and aunts, grandparents and other relatives lived in close proximity to each other. That meant that an individuals preferences and behavior was under a spotlight right from the day when he or she was born. Their weaknesses and strengths were coded in the society’s computers, which were basically the elders. If a boy preferred outdoors, soft music, lemon pickles and gaudy colored clothing, the elders would start scouting for a girl for him by the time he was ten. Girls who liked indoors, mango pickles, loud music and light colored clothing were removed from consideration. When the list was narrowed down, they would bring the prospective boys and girls together in social situations like religious functions, festivals, other weddings, even funerals and observe their behavior, facial expressions and body language closely. This was their primitive way of detecting behavior triggered by DNA, MHC codes and face/body compatibility. The moment they saw a boy edge away from a girl who was carrying a pot of water, the moment they saw a girl turn her face away abruptly from a boy was tying a horse, they knew that their DNA was similar and they would not be compatible. The instant they saw a girl and boy smile simultaneously, when they saw them reach for the fruit at the same time, they knew that their DNA was compatible. Their parents were notified, and they were put on a “watch list” for a few years, following which the match proceedings would begin. Every individual had a few prospective matches in the “watch list”, and the list was gradually narrowed down as the years went by, until it got down to one. Horoscopes were used in the last step primarily to narrow down choices to one after more than one match was found – they were not used as the first step on screening possible matches as is done today.

 

The ingenuity of this system was that everyone found a life partner at the right age that was largely compatible with him or her in every way. Nobody was left out of the system. Even the ugliest girls and the stupidest of boys found someone whom they could spend the rest of their life with. Moreover, since the MHC codes were made to match (in a crude manner), offspring were generally healthy and resistant to disease.

 

Needless to add, the watching eye of society did not end right there. Not only did people have to surrender their individuality to a great extent, but they had to follow other norms as well. They had to have children within a stipulated period of time. They had to stay faithful to each other – any attempt to cheat was severely reprimanded not only by physical pain, but also considerable economic consequences. They had to prepare their children for the next cycle so that society could sustain its population, its economy and its future. Any attempt to deviate from this path brought untold hardship to the couple. However, if the couple had marital issues, society helped them to resolve it amicably. If they had economic or other issues, society made sure that those problems were alleviated as well.

 

One major negative consequence of this was that people got comfortable and did not innovate or take risks. The industrial revolution changed all that, as we shall see later.

 

In the phrase “Love marriage”, the second word is meaningless. At the most primal level, marriage means societal sanction for sex. Those who are in love don’t need to get married. The whole idea of love is that “Love conquers all”, and that the individuals make their own choices and are responsible for them. Once a person excludes society from making the most important choice for them, then they are not answerable to society in any way. Neither do they have to take anything, nor do they give anything to society. They can live together with their chosen partner as long as they wish, and terminate the relationship without anyone telling them what to do or not to do.

 

However, those who are in love insist on getting married because they think it is the right thing to do. They want their parents’ and siblings approval. They don’t want to give up their old relationships in order to gain a new one. That sentiment may be nice, but at a deeper level it is hogwash. What such people want is to have their cake and eat it too. They want a wedding, which is a societal creation, without following the norms of society when it comes to making the choice of a life partner. They want the videos, the nice dresses, the gathering of who’s-who, the jokes and all other elements that society worked over millennia. They want dinner invitations, Diwali bashes, Thanksgiving lunches with families, and other such societal events in their life. However, they don’t want to be told or asked anything, since that is considered an invasion of privacy. “So when are you planning to have a baby?” usually elicits a cold response like : “No plans yet” in a tone that says “Mind your own business.” They want to grow old together, make sure their children turn out ok, build a house, and do all other things that (arranged) married people do.

 

In short, they want something for nothing.

 

In traditional Indian society, they were denied this privilege. As soon as a boy and girl fell in love, society ostracized them. “If you don’t want our guidelines, you can forget its benefits” was the message of ostracision. It was correct and it worked well for millennia. The idea of love (marriage) as mainstream choice is only a century old in the rest of the world, and only a couple of decades old in India. This is due to the failure of [arranged] marriage, largely caused by industrial revolution.

 

Why things changed

 

Industrial revolution resulted in greater wealth for a large section of mankind. It brought cheap and fast transportation to everyone. This caused the traditional and closely-knit societies to break up into smaller individualized nuclear families that lived and worked far from each other. Eventually, families grew apart from each other and developed tastes and mannerisms that were considerably different from what their sect or caste had been doing for millennia. Even within the same household, siblings started to have different ideas of about life, sometimes ideas that were polar opposites. The role of elders that was to play the role of a CPU in society’s computer was slowly phased out since large distances and fast moving culture prevented them from gaining insight into their grandchildren’s lives. Marriage became an arrangement that was restricted to caste/religion/race/language. To reduce malfunction among relationships, people started to give an exponentially increasing amount of importance to horoscopes, and they quickly became the very first step of arranged marriages. The whole notion of observing the boy and girl to see if their MHC codes match by looking at their body language and facial expression over the years was narrowed down to just an hour or so. Many a time even that was done away with and people switched to photos.

 

Moreover, society stopped being a watchdog of relationships after marriage. Which meant that if a man started cheating on his wife, not much could be done about it and she and her family had to bear the brunt of the consequences. If a woman became a social introvert thus affecting her family standing, society no longer intervened to correct the situation. If the in-laws harassed and burnt the woman for more dowry, society abdicated its critical role and left the corrupt Government to take care of the problem.

 

As society became more and more aloof, marriage became just nothing more than a scam, and eventually the younger generation lost faith in the process. They started thinking that they could do better on their own, and in some cases they were right. However, as one can see today, more and more marriages are falling apart – from both types: arranged and love. That’s because, apart from the reasons mentioned earlier, during the decision making process neither of them don’t let their guard down and are on their best behavior. They come to their natural selves only after marriage and they cannot stand what they see in each other. Moreover, due to lack of societal pressure, they are free to move on. So even when life gets a little uncomfortable, they decide to end the relationship.

 

If one observes closely, the degradation of family/society (which is the chief influencing force for marriage) has happened right in front of our eyes over the last century. Here are the different stages:

 

1. Joint family system: Everyone lives under one roof. Decisions are made communally. Everyone takes care of everyone else. Cooperation is key. Competition is discouraged. Society is very strong.

2. Tightly coupled families: Everyone has their own house – but not too far from each other. But they walk into each other’s houses without being invited. They watch over each other’s children – even feed and clothe each other’s kids. Information is shared. Cooperation is reduced slightly but is still strong. Competition gets a little stronger.

3. Loosely coupled families: Everyone lives distant from each other. They meet rarely in each other’s houses. Nobody goes or comes unless they are personally invited. Weddings and other planned social functions are the only places where they meet. Co-operation is weak. Kids become more competitive.

4. Nuclear families: People rarely meet their relatives. They skip weddings and funerals. Social events are limited to sports events, work-related parties etc. Cooperation is non existent. Competition is very strong. Kids gradually become more narcissistic. More reliance on Government to fix society’s problems like dowry, violence etc.

5. Lack of families: The country has large numbers of lonely, unmarried people. There is great wealth due to competition. Nobody’s really happy. People become more and more narcissistic and sociopathic. Relationships are broken without a conscience. Government gets stronger. Society is non existent.

6. Complete chaos. Fall of civilization most likely. Everyone runs amok and hits anything that comes in their way. The man with the biggest gun wins. Some other country or culture takes over.

 

 

Conclusion

 

So what’s one supposed to do? Is there a right answer, the one true path? Is there a magic spell? Will flipping some switch make matters better?

 

I’m afraid not. This article is just a small window into how things came to the current state. It is supposed to arm people with a little more information so that they could make better decisions. No one person can provide the correct answer. Since the process has been broken for a while, it may take a couple of generations to fix it. Usually, what has been broken by nature is usually fixed by nature. What man has broken has to be fixed by man. Moreover, nature and man are not separate: Man is very much a part of nature.

 

Marriage has been broken due to rapid change in lifestyle due to the effects of industry and scientific innovations of the last century or so. It would be natural to presume that it is the same industry and innovation that will fix it. The way internet and videoconferencing is connecting people is one of the first baby steps. How people post their profiles and ideas on blogs, youtube and myspace gives a greater insight into what their tastes are. DNA testing is catching on. Face recognition systems may be adapted in the future to pick out people who could be a good match for each other. Gradually, people are realizing that too much of privacy results in loneliness, and they may be willing to give up some of their privacy to find their life partner, especially if the privacy is sacrificed to a computer which can match DNA’s, myspace profiles, facial preferences, economic and social interests and other such parameters that go to pick a life partner. The Governments should stay away from all these issues and let men be free so that they can solve their own problems.

 

At the end, marriage is both an art and a science. The two have been separated from the decision making. When the two are brought together, success is almost a certainty.

 

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partha
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written by P. Desikan, 2007-09-09 06:38:57
Went back to Sulekha browsing, which I had been doing only very selectively and in a limited way in the recent past.
Went through some of Sri Moornam's outstanding contributions and sincerely regret not having known of his brilliant blogs so far.
The loss has been mine only.
Regards. Partha.
partha
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written by P. Desikan, 2007-09-09 03:40:13
I am not acquainted with Moor Nam.
In my comment to this blog and to other blogs, I seem to have referred to Moor Nam pronominally as she, rather than he. If I am mistaken, I seek Moor Nam's pardon.
Regards. Partha.
partha
Two objectives
written by P. Desikan, 2007-09-09 02:57:04
May I address Raju and Moornam together?
The article by Moornam is well researched and as she states unequivocally, INFORMATIVE rather than JUDGEMENTAL. Very competently and comprehensively informative.
Society as a whole, apart from the two individuals who contract the tie, can be pardoned, even appreciated, if it looks for two things from the tie.
One is that the offspring are as healthy as possible, as immune as possible from prevailing diseases. The DNA can be permitted its play, yes?
The second is that the tie will last, because divorces are an environmental hazard and children of divorcees are a tougher responsibility for society to handle. DNA once again can have its say, but intelligent marriage management, by both parties accepting the tie and working on it throughout their lives is useful, no? This second requirement is what Raju is recommending and this did not fall into Moornam's agenda. She was informing, not recommending.

Enjoyed all the comments, as much as I enjoyed the article.
Regards. Partha.
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Gambling
written by Sham, 2007-05-09 14:03:32
In this world gambling will be legal as long as marriage is legal. Looks like marriage is an art (read gambling) and you are trying to make it a science (read providing analysis to improve odds of winning).
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Good observation and conclusion
written by Srinivas, 2007-05-02 13:00:53
Hi Moornam,
This article is very informative and interesting to know about our society, elders and marriages how they are and were tied together.I agree with the conclusion that marriage is an art and science and whoever knows the truth of life and love will be sucessfull.

Srinivas.
rmraju
What is love?
written by Raju, 2007-04-26 15:26:36
M,nam,

Love may seem to be a chemical state (serotonin, oxytocin, vasopressin and endogenous opioids, dopamine etc) with genetic roots and other influence but most important is individual’s conscious decision that plays a big role in long term relationship. I think you are referring or alluding to feeling part of love while I am talking about judgment and decision aspects of love. This is very clear from excerpts from book ‘The Art of Loving’ by Erich Fromm world renowned psychologist.

What is love?

To love somebody is not just a strong feeling -- it is a decision, it is a judgment, it is a promise. If love were only a feeling, there would be no basis for the promise to love each other forever. A feeling comes and it may go. How can I judge that it will stay forever, when my act does not involve judgment and decision?

We allow know judgment, decision, and promise go to create commitment required for life long relationship.

Raju
moornam
Love is a chemical reaction...
written by MoorNam, 2007-04-26 14:22:10
Raju,

Love is a chemical reaction that needs certain pre-determined physical and mental conditions. When a couple marries through a scam or a sham, those conditions are either missing or lacking in quantity. Hence, even people who are in a "love" marriage have a falling out after a few years.

By no means am I discounting love. I am just asserting that our DNAs are critical for it to materialise.

M. nam
rmraju
All You Need Is Love
written by Raju, 2007-04-26 10:21:28

I disagree with your analysis.

You correctly listed the problems the institution of marriage/society is facing today, but your analysis/suggested approach to finding solution based on science, listing pros and cons of traditionalist Vs modernist approach will not address the marriage issue. I did my best to find out and list what is relevant/pertinent to the marriage issue. In my view it is the absence love that is the root cause of problems. Importance of love especially after marriage is missing in your open ended analysis. Your intention to help people is noble but your analysis/approach provides little help as article ignored the significance of love.
moornam
Not quite understand
written by MoorNam, 2007-04-26 08:19:51
Raju,

I understood that you disagree - did not understand specifically on what.

M. Nam
rmraju
What's love got to do, got to do with it?
written by Raju, 2007-04-25 15:36:18
What's love got to do, got to do with it?

Introduction:

Your article talks a lot about what happen before marriage and little about what is required after marriage even though you rightly say that what happen after marriage is important. In my view your article has lot of details unnecessary for marriage issue.

Change and Continuity:

In your article you talk about two camps traditional and modern. I do not how it is important for marriage issue i.e. for what happen after marriage has taken place.

Idea of what is traditional and modern keeps on changing. What is considered traditional today was considered modern say 1000 years ago and what is considered modern today will be say traditional say 1000 years from now. Culture and social values and details of process of getting married have been constantly changing. Only thing certain in nature is change. Hence what is changing constantly cannot be determinant issue for marriage.

Concept of marriage is at least over 5000 years old in India starting from Vedic times, but key factor of happy marriage has always been love and this has not changed. What this means that what is traditional and modern is of little importance for marriage. Holding on to what is changing or debating or playing to be referee to it does little to address core issue.

Love:

Erich Fromm psychologist in his book, The Art of Loving says something quite revealing about current concept of love and what is love? See below for four excerpts from book.

Love, love me do

#1
"Most people see the problem of love primarily as that of being loved rather than that of loving, of one's capacity to love."

#2
"Our whole culture is based on the appetite for buying, on the idea of a mutually favorable exchange."


#3
"There is little reason to be surprised that human love relations follow the same pattern of exchange which governs the commodity and the labor market."


What is love?

#4
To love somebody is not just a strong feeling -- it is a decision, it is a judgment, it is a promise. If love were only a feeling, there would be no basis for the promise to love each other forever. A feeling comes and it may go. How can I judge that it will stay forever, when my act does not involve judgment and decision?

Science:

If marriage is science then one set of identical twins will be looking for another set of identical twins of opposite sex in order to be happy in marriage. There is no data or observation or evidence to support this.

Science of predicting the outcome of marriage relationships based on DNA etc may make proposing marriage more like a job application with its associated check list. Creating science and technology of paradise engineering based on DNA etc may add years to marriage but not life.

Conclusion:

Journey begins after marriage. Can there be happy marriage with out love? Love is to marriage what prana is to living beings.

Perception is that you need to transcend debate issue to add value other than SHAM and SCAM to current confusion.

...Raju
rudra
More comments from Sulekha
written by rudra, 2007-04-25 10:10:14
Raghunathan Kadangode comments: on Apr 25 2007 11:54AM
I usually discard those specials to the last.. So., I missed your contribution. Only today I examined it. You have provided us a good life for thought.
Only one thing I want to ask, That is this:
Has the extremely long childhood, compared to other mammals, contributed to the same pair institution marriage?

bharatborn comments: on Apr 25 2007 12:16AM
interesting article, Moornam.
I don't know. the subject is too vast and confusing. I somehow feel that the quotient of happiness has generally remained the same thro' the ages. Whatever the type of marriage, the attitude is important. the people with the right attitude would be happy. the arranged marriages of the long gone past and the love marriages of the present are afterall similar. the first was society observing and the second is the couple themselves feeling. both can be equally wrong or equally right.
very interesting article.
Quid Pro Quo comments: on Apr 24 2007 11:51PM
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I really appreacite teh way people used to arrange marriages 30 yrs back, usually they use to find brides and groomes in family functions and secretly propose and look at eachother couple of times if they agreed then the marriage will be arranged and the news will be made public..it was so much more romantic more than everything else..ah ah.."

### Stop watching too much of Barjatya's and Johar's movies. In real life, you are away slogging in some job and she is away. You are called for 2-3 days, look at the girl, talk for few hours. Deal done. You are back at slogging.
rudra
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written by rudra, 2007-04-24 18:21:14
While science still has a long way to go, there is enough evidence to substantiate the role of smell in sexual attraction and compatibility.


Isn't it strange though -- that we tend to think of ourselves as "different" from the rest of the animal kingdom -- which uses pheromones/scent-related mating selection criterion. But at the end of the day, there are forces at play, which we have completely masked out from our active awareness.
rudra
Comments from Sulekha
written by rudra, 2007-04-24 14:26:12
denice _menace comments: on Apr 24 2007 8:23AM
marriage is both an art and a science. It may be arranged marriage, it may be love marriage or internet marriage for the success of the marriage both the partners need to know the art of living and understanding with tolerance towards one's life partner. The marriage certainly becomes successful.

well all thses adjustments will come if one is in love yaniki one is physically atracted by DnA code whateverr, the very reason for marriage is to procreate so if teh fundamental need is not satisfied everything else break lose, hai ki nahi?

I really appreacite teh way people used to arrange marriages 30 yrs back, usually they use to find brides and groomes in family functions and secretly propose and look at eachother couple of times if they agreed then the marriage will be arranged and the news will be made public..it was so much more romantic more than everything else..ah ah..
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Rudra comments: on Apr 24 2007 8:13AM
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Regards.

Rudra

maddss123 comments: on Apr 24 2007 7:46AM
Sir' the blog is quite refreshing and logical, i am not so sure of the DNA link, but surely something inside us make us click with someone and repel with some other partner.
the issues such as nuclear family and joint family also have got something to do with economics, once a single landholding with one kartha managed the affairs , every one had to fall in line, now its very different every one earns thus they want to be taken seriously and heard. in my view the economic freedom is driving people to nuclear families.


regards
Buntys Banter comments: on Apr 24 2007 4:02AM
Dear Rudra,
Thanks for posting this link!
Dear Moor Nam,
Good work! Made a very interesting read. Especially the DNA references.
Bunty.
mayaonline comments: on Apr 24 2007 2:20AM
Rudra,

A very very interesting theory!
narensomu comments: on Apr 23 2007 11:59PM
Moor nam
Very interesting article...SCAM and SHAM , the concepts made me smile.
The info under the subtitle "Real arranged marriages" was interesting and the role of the society in decision making has been discussed thoroughly...Atleast then the consideration wasnt only money...
The stages that lead to chaos at the end made us wonder. about the end ..that is nearer..
Regards
ps: The comment section at Medha site needs Email ID, it isnt taking the comments without one..
Indu3 comments: on Apr 23 2007 6:51PM
Noor ,

I agree with you. At the end, marriage is both an art and a science. It may be arranged marriage, it may be love marriage or internet marriage for the success of the marriage both the partners need to know the art of living and understanding with tolerance towards one's life partner. The marriage certainly becomes successful.

Very enlightening article.

Indu.
denice _menace comments: on Apr 23 2007 5:52PM
T hanks for posting, what I liked about thsi article is, that it doesn't decay in it's thread, it leaves the avenues open and is hopeful of the internet relationships...but I guess down the line 10yrs from here, they might find some universal ways of connecting real people to real poeple all around the globe without much harm done to individuals..


I've been trying to nudge these users towards TMJ to post their comments. Hopefully I can lift the "moderated" anonymous comments shortly.
moornam
Reply to PG from SM
written by MoorNam, 2007-04-24 13:14:28
PG writes:
http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004368.html#comment131069


>>you strike me as someone who wants to preserve the beneficial and progressive aspects of traditional Indian culture, giving them a modern twist, while completely doing away with the negative and stifling aspects.

You got that right 100%.

>>It is not the type of marriage that ends in divorce, it is the circumstances around it.

What I am trying to say is that the type of marriage is the cause of the the type of circumstances that the couples face. There is enough evidence to suggest that when society completely foresakes the couple by ostracising them, the couple have an uphill battle to make the relationship work. When they have nobody for each other to talk to, eventually they will have nothing to talk about. Just the two of them on Diwali night. Never getting invited to any family gatherings. Just the two of them on New years. It will eventually get to them and they will start looking at "other options".

Hence those who want to get into the sham marriage carefully construct their arguments to seek acceptance from family/friends etc. It's a lot like saying: "I'll do what I like, marry whom I want, have children whenever I want (or not), but I want you to accept all my choices. I want in. I don't care that my would-be spouse is someone who will not fit into your worldview. You have to adjust. It's all about me. Me me me."

I'm sorry - but it's not fair to family/society. You cannot have something for nothing. Eventually people wizen up. Traditional Indian society is millennia old, and they have learnt it the hard way about the perils of allowing individuals in society to do as they please and yet be accepted.

Another reason for a high divorce rate are the fleecing institutions of Social Security, Welfare and Medicare.http://www.mises.org/story/1406

You're right in pointing out that a low divorce rate does not mean happy families.

M. Nam

moornam
No hurt intended...
written by MoorNam, 2007-04-24 12:10:06
All,

I do realise that some of the terminology used in this article is harsh. Many of you may be in an arranged/love marriage as is described in this article, or may be getting into one. This does not necessarily imply that you have been scammed or your marriage will be a sham. However, I would like to reiterate that this process(which you follow(ed)) is a broken process which needs to be fixed over time. But many of you may not have any other choice. Sometimes you have to cross a river using a rickety, broken bridge. All I am pointing out that the bridge is broken - so you are better informed and will take proper precautions.

It's an informative article - not a judgemental one.

M. Nam
moornam
Thanks...
written by MoorNam, 2007-04-24 09:27:27
Thank you all for your comments.

Hope you all had a chance to go through the links provided at the end of the article. While science still has a long way to go, there is enough evidence to substantiate the role of smell in sexual attraction and compatibility.

Also, agreed that economics plays an important role in family dynamics. An increase in wealth tends to make a person more confident in distancing himself/herself from others without facing too many consequences.

M. Nam
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interesting
written by maddss123, 2007-04-24 05:45:46
Sir' the blog is quite refreshing and logical, i am not so sure of the DNA link, but surely something inside us make us click with someone and repel with some other partner.
the issues such as nuclear family and joint family also have got something to do with economics, once a single landholding with one kartha managed the affairs , every one had to fall in line, now its very different every one earns thus they want to be taken seriously and heard. in my view the economic freedom is driving people to nuclear families.


regards
Hatimtai
Interesting article but DNA analogies were at times confusing
written by Sreeparna, 2007-04-24 00:57:46
Hi Moornam,

It was interesting read and found it quite amusing. I agreed to your philosophy of two institutions of marriage.

But your often analogies using DNA was confusing. MHC and immmunity concept was very clear, but how MHC is used to like and dislike people is a very new concept. Does this have any scientific backing or is it just an assumption?

Regards,
Hatimtai smilies/smiley.gif
Indu
...
written by Indira, 2007-04-23 16:55:12
Moor nam ,

I agree with you. At the end, marriage is both an art and a science. It may be arranged marriage, it may be love marriage or internet marriage for the success of the marriage both the partners need to know the art of living and understanding with tolerance towards one's life partner. The marriage certainly becomes successful.

Very enlightening article.

Indu
rudra
...
written by rudra, 2007-04-23 15:06:46
Very refreshing!
Moornam, looks like the "old" edge is still present.
smilies/smiley.gif
Congrats on a great effort...

Not meaning to deviate from the main topic, but I couldn't help by notice some strange events that have been happening in the recent past seem to fit into these --

1. Joint family system: Everyone lives under one roof. Decisions are made communally. Everyone takes care of everyone else. Cooperation is key. Competition is discouraged. Society is very strong.

2. Tightly coupled families: Everyone has their own house – but not too far from each other. But they walk into each other’s houses without being invited. They watch over each other’s children – even feed and clothe each other’s kids. Information is shared. Cooperation is reduced slightly but is still strong. Competition gets a little stronger.

3. Loosely coupled families: Everyone lives distant from each other. They meet rarely in each other’s houses. Nobody goes or comes unless they are personally invited. Weddings and other planned social functions are the only places where they meet. Co-operation is weak. Kids become more competitive.

4. Nuclear families: People rarely meet their relatives. They skip weddings and funerals. Social events are limited to sports events, work-related parties etc. Cooperation is non existent. Competition is very strong. Kids gradually become more narcissistic. More reliance on Government to fix society’s problems like dowry, violence etc.

5. Lack of families: The country has large numbers of lonely, unmarried people. There is great wealth due to competition. Nobody’s really happy. People become more and more narcissistic and sociopathic. Relationships are broken without a conscience. Government gets stronger. Society is non existent.

6. Complete chaos. Fall of civilization most likely. Everyone runs amok and hits anything that comes in their way. The man with the biggest gun wins. Some other country or culture takes over.


The market (especially in the Information sector) seems to be re-aligning itself quite in these lines.

joint family == Free and Open Source Movement, collaborative models

nuclear, dysfunctional family == proprietary model
gangp
SCAM and SHAM
written by Dr. Pradip Gangopadh, 2007-04-23 14:47:03
Moor Nam,
I liked SCAM and SHAM.
I agree with you that "flipping some switch would not make matters better".

Gangp
karigar
SCAMs , SHAMs & the selfish DNA...
written by karigar, 2007-04-23 11:49:32
So the "selfish DNA" (Oops! Aat Man) likes SHAMs more than SCAMs...Boy I'm dissappointed! smilies/cry.gif

The idea of older relatives as "societal computers" is priceless!

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