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Hindu Temple Architecture-I

 This is  a prelude to a series of articles on the evolution of Hindu temple architecture, from not just my background as an architect, but also from my other background, as that of a person raised on the strong foundations of Indic culture. 

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Many thanks to Riverine and the other Medha friends whose article and discussions on Hinduism motivated me to write this first part . It had been lying dormant in my mind for far too long.

Prelude

This part is partly a personal journey. I feel this would help the reader in understanding some un-refuted theories of academia and what knowledge we should sometimes superimpose on those theories as individuals who are part of a rich culture.

Enormous amounts of work has gone in to documenting Hindu temple Architecture in the last 100 years or so and I would like to thank all those dedicated men and women (many were people origin from outside India). If not for them, we, as an occupied nation might not have realized what treasures we had inherited.

However I feel, even though I am less experienced compared to the stalwarts, it is about time we started looking at our treasures through our eyes, rather than look at them through an entirely new pair of eyes! Many of the ideas I would be discussing here in this series would raise peer eyebrows. But I feel, I can look at many issues that have bothered me since my student days without losing my objectivity.

In this part , I am briefly discussing elements of ancient Egyptian Architecture , not because I think Hindu temple architecture derived from that style, but because I am struck by some similarities between the two building types. To say , "This derived from that" one needs to know both "this" and "that" thoroughly. But unfortunately, historians traditionally have made statements that were simply accepted even if one felt it as a mild thorn in the flesh.

Part I

The first temple I visited was a medium sized “Amman" [Devi] temple in South Tamil Nadu. It happened to be near the place where my mother was staying at that time. It was a temple dedicated to Devi, with no separate shrine for Lord Shiva, one of the many you find in Tamil Nadu.

At the time of my visit, according to my late mother, I didn’t show much interest in the planning aspects, or the intricately carved pillars or for that matter anything around me. I slept blissfully and didn’t even wake up when the temple bells rang out loudly. I was exactly forty five days old, the mandatory age at that part of the world, for any human baby of the female kind to be eligible for a temple entry.

In this part , I am briefly discussing elements of ancient Egyptian Architecture , not because I think Hindu temple architecture derived from that style, all the more, because I am struck by some similarities between the two building types. To say , "This derived from that" one needs to know both "this" and "that" thoroughly. But unfortunately, historians traditionally have made statements that were simply accepted even if one felt it as a mild thorn in the flesh.


At this point in a lighter note, I wish to remind my Medhavi friends that, when I become famous and write my autobiography, I would say, I was actually admiring the planning, the magic of lighting that gets gradually dim as one gets closer to the sanctum sanctorum, the carved pillars and the mystery that is associated with ancient temples, however, I just didn’t know how to articulate it clearly because of my tender age at that time.

From then on, as any average Hindu growing up in Tamil Nadu would have done, I might have visited many other temples in Tamil Nadu, dozens of them perhaps! In Tamil Nadu, you have temples that can help you get a job, win a court case, unite you back with warring relatives, save you from certain death, take care of you through surgery …you name it , we have it, the specialized temples!

Above is the picture for indicative purposes only. Courtesy http://www.tamilnation.org

I would discuss what I know about the yantras that are said to be under some sanctum sanctorums and related issues in another part. I was more awake during these trips to the many temples. I was fed to my gills equally by a Bhakthi - filled mother and a knowledge- filled father. I now realise how lucky I have been, not everyone gets two differing views on these issues. This is where Lord Ram appeared before sage so and so. Look at that stucco figurine on the gopuram –can you tell me what style this could be classified under? Look at that smile on her face! She may carry weapons in her arms, but , don’t hide behind my pallu, she is mother! Can you see the detail the sculptor of this Chola bronze had gone in to? You can make out the nails in his fingers! Do you know, there lived once a shilpi by name… , Agastya munivar came here and he made this theertham, [and not “believed to have made this theertham”.]

As we visited different temples, little books that were called Sthala Puranas were collected .They talked about what that particular site or temple was called in the Thretha yuga or in the Dwapara yuga.
Time, it seemed was always talked about in a grand scale, and in terms of yuga and not in terms of century and it did not seem strange! Temples in Tamil Nadu are also places [ compared to the temples from other states], retained their original form and purpose, and which were almost untouched by violent armies. I hadn’t known this at that time and always wondered why the temples I had seen in Tamil Nadu were so mysterious , dark and ancient, while the ones I saw in the North weren’t. Almost seventeen years later, in Architecture school, I was introduced to the great buildings of the world in the first year of the course. The subject was called “History of Architecture” and the first thing we discussed was Egyptian architecture, as the buildings we find there are the earliest of all preserved buildings.

At this point in a lighter note, I wish to remind my Medhavi friends that, when I become famous and write my autobiography, I would say, I was actually admiring the planning, the magic of lighting that gets gradually dim as one gets closer to the sanctum sanctorum, the carved pillars and the mystery that is associated with ancient temples, however, I just didn’t know how to articulate it clearly because of my tender age at that time.


Reading about the style, I was struck by the similarities between the temples that people had built almost 5 millennia ago, and the temples I had been to right from childhood. The thick book called the History of World Architecture by Sir Banister Fletcher is almost a standard book, that I now realize, after talking to colleagues from all over the world.

In the second year, students are introduced to Indian Architecture, with books by Percy Brown. They just spend one semester studying both Buddhist and Hindu Architecture, which means an average student who grows up in India, are being exposed to this particular building type, gets to learn about the same in less than three months time! He or she need not know standard books called the Agama Shastra that forms the basis of Hindu Temple Architecture, and they might simply say that this shastra never existed before the Buddhists built their viharas! Never mind even if the rich literary evidences that points to the contrary in the commonly quoted epics.* But the verses that talk about a religious site are the lines that are never quoted. **

During the first design class, yours truly doodled traditional motifs as if they were part of the sub-conscious mind, thanks to the parents, but looked around the class and quickly changed designs to “modern, clean, straightforward" lines. After all, who wants to “be stuck in some bygone era?", definitely not a seventeen year old!

We were also introduced to the the buildings of  ancient cultures, and why and how they were built ,through the influences that shaped them. The influences included geographical, religious, historical, social, political and also the availability of materials and building techniques. In a way, a study of ” Why they built what they built". We think only of pyramids when we hear about Egyptian Architecture but the ancients who lived there had built massive, ceremonial temples as well, where deities , not just one, but many were enshrined in one temple complex, just as I had seen in Tamil Nadu.
This link that gives comprehensive information that makes an easy read.
http://www.ancient-egypt-online.com/ancient-egypt-temples.html


Here are the plans of the temple were taken from this link.
http://www.charlesmiller.co.uk/fla/images/templans/karnak.jpg

The space looks like a “jungle of columns” as the ancients needed to erect heavy vertical supports to hold the roof up. Much later, in parts of Europe, more techniques evolved where lighter materials and different techniques were used to make lighter structures that supported wider spans. Please note the temple of Amon at Karnak appears to have been built by different dynasties at different time periods.

Please take some time to go through this link that opens a British Museum’s official site and take the trip down the Egyptian temple at Luxor. http://www.ancientegypt.co.uk/temples/home.html
The planning aspects seemed very similar but in the Hindu temple there are circumambulation paths or praharas or the symbolic “sheaths “, around the focal point that is the sanctum sanctorum .

This is from the link; http://ssubbanna.sulekha.com/mstore/ssubbanna/albums/default/Srirangam-8.jpg

Temple layout plan, Srirangam, also built and added to over many years by different kings. The concept remains the same but when circumambulation path or prahara gets added, it is ensured that there are odd numbers in total. But ancient Egyptian temples don’t seem to have clearly demarcated symbolic “sheaths “ around the focus but have the same concept of the focal point that is emphasized with the help of planning symmetry. A user is lead to that focus by the cleverly designed circulation path. http://ssubbanna.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/03/temple-architecture-devalaya-vastu-part-four-4.htm
The article at this link is one part of a series of well researched articles by Shri Rao at Sulekha.com.The articles give valuable information on Hindu temple architecture.



The Egyptian temples are building types that evolved over hundreds of years and in the case of the temple of Amon , an evolution can be traced over a period of a thousand years! We also need to know more a not what sort of “rule books” or shastras governed the planning principles as symbolism seems to play a major part in their culture; not hard for similar cultures to understand.

There were two kinds of temples in ancient Egypt. The mortuary type of temples were dedicated to departed kings and queens and another type called the cult; [note the use of the word “cult” ]was dedicated to their deities. Early Egyptian religion is described as a polytheistic, ritualistic, "controlled by a hierarchial priest hood”, may be too simple a way to describe their religion. In India, mortuary temples are not common building types but the so called “folk” temples built in honor of dead warriors or deified women are all too common in India. Please also note the fact that the ancient Egyptians regarded the temples as the abodes of God. This is how Hindus regard the temples at the temporal level, but those of us who go beyond the mundane know there is more symbolism attached to the temple structure. The grand entrance gates of the Egyptian temple complexes or the “way to define an entry in to a monumental building” in the parlance are called pylons and I cannot help, but see similarities between the South Indian temple tower and this one.


http://www.charlesmiller.co.uk/fla/images/edfu/edf001.jpg
Image from this link, can also be checked out for many more photographs .

But if we look at this issue with objectivity, we can also conclude that the similarity is just about two cultures wanting to use stone as the building material as they wanted to preserve their dedication to their God ideal for posterity.


But if we look at this issue with objectivity, we can also conclude that the similarity is just about two cultures wanting to use stone as the building material as they wanted to preserve their dedication to their God ideal for posterity. When stone or bricks or any building blocks is used for walls,the type of construction is called as masonry construction and this kind of construction may or may not have intermediate lateral strengthening of the wall section. We would see more about other techniques that were used in the construction of religious buildings in the later posts. If the stone blocks are meant to be self supporting, it is logical to work out a wider, thicker base and taper it towards the top, so you would have what is called as a batter wall. So this is where pyramids could have derived from if we extend this line of thinking.
Hierarchy of spaces
Please click this link below and visit this Egyptian temple and please read what is said about one courtyard being more sacred than the other. http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/templecourtyard.htm

Does this ring a bell? Was what Egyptians followed a ritualistic religion? Were the courtyards meant for some kind of rites? Or were they meant for “religious orgies” as some people say whenever a “different" religion is encountered?

I am pasting the lines from one of the web pages I read verbatim;
You may have noticed that the ceilings are getting lower and the floor slants upwards as you move further into the temple. This is because you are getting closer to the sanctuary- the most sacred part of the temple.
Also read, as you step out of the temple, your eyes adjust to the bright sunlight. In front of you is a large pool of water. This is the sacred lake, once used in temple rituals. At this link, http://www.archiplanet.org/wiki/,you find;
Temple_of_Amon
Temple of Amon Commentary

"It is doubtful if any building yet designed has attained the dramatic power of the hypostyle hall of the Egyptian temple. Hypostyles—the Greek root means 'resting on columns'—were man-made stone forests separating the temple's open court, where festivals and ceremonies took place, from the sanctuary, to which only kings and priests were admitted. (Egyptian temples did not provide for congregational worship.) The processional path through the hypostyle was a preparatory passage from this world to the next.

"The hypostyle of the Temple of Amun, the most prodigious ever erected, was finished by Rameses II (d. 1225 B.C.) as an extension of an existing temple that had its origins a thousand years earler and had experienced additions throughout its long life. This stone bastion of 134 columns delimits one side of the temple's Great Court and measures 338 feet wide by 170 feet deep. The columns defining the processional aisle are 69 feet high, the others 42 feet, the difference in height filled by a stone grille or clerestory. The entire hypostyle was originally roofed with slabs of stone: the effect of columns vanishing into darkness must have been spellbinding. We can bow to it today. "...Architecture has rarely produced such titanic theater." — from G.E. Kidder Smith. Looking at Architecture. p14.

I haven’t seen the structure yet or experienced the effect of the interior but to a certain extent can visualize it and I bow to the masters too. To summarize, I would also like to call the spatial experience of an Egyptian temple, as I visualize it as follows;

  • Start tall with an imposing tower.
  • Take the worshiper forward in a path that is focused towards the main part of the complex, the sanctum sanctorum.
  • Make him deliberately experience diminishing levels of lighting as he goes forward, a sort of switching off of the external controls .
  • And lead him towards the innermost cave like space that has the lowest ceiling height and thereby induce tranquility.
  • A space where the worshipper could be quiet with himself.
  • It was not exactly a space meant for group worship, but one that was meant for individual worship, rather an introspective experience.

The description of the Egyptian temple experience reminded me of the temple complexes I had seen in person along with two other persons; one who went speechless at the sight of the main deity in the sanctum sanctorum with tears rolling down her cheeks, and the other, after observing the moorthy closely to say later “Did you see that the proportion looks different here than the one we had seen at…”

The conformist who listened to ancient wisdom became a conformist of another kind after joining college. This new conformist believed whatever the text books said were true and didn’t apply her mind to analyze, synthesize, compare and contrast the rich culture she had a background of with those she was studying about, just as her peers did then. She went home and told her mother that the temples were actually derived from the Buddhist Viharas of yore and the Hindus hadn’t worshipped in any built structure before roughly second century CE. Why I now think this theory should be looked at and studied closely again is also the point I want to discuss in the next paper. The wonderment that wasn’t discussed much except in limited circles is now being shared with peers here for the first time as a non academic person at present. I would follow this up with papers that explore the evolution of Hindu temples , that take in to account literary evidence as well as from my point of view as a practicing Hindu. I shall try to maintain a level of objectivity so that we all, can get at the truth, and if I seem to stray from this goal, please let me know so that I can be on track again.

Articles can also be read at these links;
http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/egypt/luxor/luxor.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian#Religious_beliefs
http://www.touregypt.net/magazine/building.htm
http://touregypt.net/featurestories/temples.htm
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/cults.htm
http://www.archiplanet.org/wiki/Main_Page

Here is another interesting link;
http://www.vaastuinternational.com/planarch8.html

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narensomu
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written by narensomu, 2008-07-28 08:16:47
Dear Partha
I spent some time looking for images for the second part.
Hence couldnt reply sooner.
I dont think these newspapers would be intersted in our heritage-will have to inform Kumudam Jodidam or newstodaY or Tuqlaq.
Is there an ipetition site?
Regards
ns
partha
feedback
written by P. Desikan, 2008-07-27 12:14:06
Dear Narensomu,
My first daughter is at present in Bangalore on a brief project and she backchecked issues of deccan herald for me to find out whether my letter managed to get published. Sadly No!
I think you should pick up the thread and try perhaps two other papers too which have circulation in Bangalore, namely Indian Express and The Hindu.
All the best!
Partha.
narensomu
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written by narensomu, 2008-07-15 12:10:06
Riverine, Partha
Just read article at the link. Would follow Partha's lead and try to send a mail to the magazine.
The callousness we show to our treasures-could it be motivated? May be there are some evidences that disprove accepted Historical theories.
Sigh, anything is possible in hamara Bharat Mahaan.
Can't think of any democracy that would treat their heritage this way.
These are treasures of the World and not just ours.
Regards
ns
narensomu
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written by narensomu, 2008-07-15 12:04:13
Hatimtai
Any hint of a link between the two cultures , I think should be available if the literary evidence is thoroughly researched with an open mind.
I was just pointing the similarities out , but I wish some one would take that research up.
While I , like many Indians have experienced the Hindu temple,[ only the physical/spatial experience can be Scientifically proved] I haven't visited an Egyptian one yet. Hope it is possible in the next few years.
I still feel more info may be waiting to be found in the ancient texts of the two cultures.
Regarding their religious philosophy we dont know much.It isnt a living one like ours , hence open to misinterpretations.
But one can also safely say , only that kind of columnar/trabeated [ will explain this in later parts]structures can be built if stone is the only material used.
But why plan space that way?That's what intrigues me.
Regards
ns
partha
response
written by P. Desikan, 2008-07-15 11:02:28
Dear Riverine,
In some kind of resonance with your sadness regarding the Kupgal sites, I have just sent the following letter to the Editor of Deccan Herald at Bangalore. There must have been other representations earlier, but one more cannot do harm, I thought. Thank you for prompting it.

Dear Sir,

You will of course be aware, in your special role of consistently looking after Karnataka and Indian interests, of the uncontrolled quarrying that is going on at the neolithic granitic rock-art site in Kupgal.

For additional information, you may like to look at this link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kupgal_petroglyphs.

As a person who had lived in Karnataka for over 16 years and loved every moment of my stay there, I request you to take up the matter with the Governments at Bangalore and New Delhi to take steps to protect the site from unthinking destruction.

Yours sincerely, Dr. Partha Desikan


Regards. Partha.



Riverine
rock music of a different kind :-)
written by Riverine, 2008-07-15 00:48:57
Naren, Shri Desikan, Dwai, Karigar

I read the comments with interest and wanted to direct your attention to this (I have the link on my Hinduism series too):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kupgal_petroglyphs

The sad part is that quarrying is destroying the complete site!
Hatimtai
Is it coincidental or conceptual similarities?
written by Sreeparna, 2008-07-14 11:38:12
Dear Narensomu,

I went back again to read your beautifully written article. At various places in your article you have suggested conceptual and structural similarities between Egyptian and Indic temples. Could you suggest any link between two civilization or is it purely coincidence that they have such similarities in the concept of temple architecture?

Regards,
Hatimtai
narensomu
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written by narensomu, 2008-07-14 05:57:10
Dear Riverine
Yes, we were indoctrinated that temples derived from the viharas-any issue has to be analysedc from many different points of view.imho, I think these building types weren't analysed from every available angle.
Some reserach has been done on the symbolism behind the planning.But there is more info that many of us cant even access...there are spaces we cannot access...
I feel the very purpose of Hindu temples is different-I'd talk about this in detail in the next part.
Read your second part and got inspired some more.
My parents, yes , I haven't inherited my Mother's Bhakthifilled nature fully, nor do I have my all of my Father's analytical skills -am sort of a hybrid and have miles to go.
Regards
ns
Riverine
Wonderful journey through architectural 'jungle'
written by Riverine, 2008-07-13 00:55:38

Dear Naren

This is such an illuminating article on the history of temple architecture. The reference material is wonderful...can't help thinking of the temple of Amon being an Amman kovil...or the Egyptian temples being somewhere in TN!!!

Yes, I am not convinced that Buddhist viharas were the foundations to temple architecture...just that viharas are still there to be seen, that's all...waiting to see the next part...

Your great fortune in having such parents is palpable in the writing...Thanks to them too!
narensomu
Mayans and Us
written by narensomu, 2008-07-11 23:12:50
Dear Dwai
I remember the link you had put in -in the earlier Mayan blog-Have to re read the article there.
But if the now -busy amateur His-story -ans hear this they would say we have a Dravidian design language [ as in Dravidian religion whatever that may be]and an Aryan design language.:-)
The pyramids and their derivatives are found in most ancient sites and considering the skill that has gone in to their construction, we have to conclude the ancients could have used arches and domes to span huge spaces [ as the Romans started and Christians continued] but didnt choose to.b]
Regards
ns
narensomu
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written by narensomu, 2008-07-11 23:02:45
Karigar
Thanks for the song!
The "interactions" were there all the time between our Kings.They didn't have any language based divisions but ruled over separate kingdoms, fought a lot with each other-in fact that is cited as a reason for the success of many invasions.
Gun powder was a bigger reason I think.
But what I was referring to was in my comment, [with some sadness]that the artistic side seemed to have overpowered the Kshatriya side of people at one point of time.
Art can thrive only when there exists prolonged peace and security.

They should have strenghthened their military, at least in the later centuries [ 8 th and 9 th] But building activities took center stage and there was no one powerful figure to unite, rule over and to safeguard.

Que sera sera I guess.

N. Pallavan seems an interesting character.He had a title "Mamalla" [ great wrestler]while he was an artist and literature enthusiast .
He sounds like Swami Vivekananda's idea of what the nation needed.
[Foot ball and spirituality]
btw, Some His-story -ans say the Pallavas were "forin" folks!The Chalukyas too must have been "forin"-they built great edifices!:-)
Seems they didn't have their work visas with them . :-))
Well, I 've gone on a tangent and got in to another circle!
Regards
ns
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partha
applause
written by P. Desikan, 2008-07-11 12:56:43
Thanks Karigar for the song. Am not familiar with your voice; can otherwise imagine hearing you singing it! It is a fine poem too!
Regards. Partha
karigar
Shilegalu Sangeeta
written by karigar, 2008-07-11 11:59:24

NS
Thanks for reminding us of the Chalukya Pallava occupying the same time epoch, & their ...err...interactions! (I regret to say, my S Ind history is a bit muddled, & needs a bit of brushing up...(There...more scope for anither series!)

Regarding 'symphony in stone', a kannada film song says-

Belura gudiyalli
keshava yedurally
anu dina anu kshana
shila galu sangeeta na haadive!


{In Belur temple, infront of lord Keshava, every day every moment, the stones sing out melody}

[That was my attempt to satisfy Partha's wish for music smilies/cool.gif...]
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Yali, South-indian temple architecture and Mayan Architecture
written by dwai, 2008-07-10 16:31:51
I remember reading that a top South Indian Sthapatya architect thought the Mayans had similar Yalis in the entrance of their temples and that there was a possible link between the Mayan and Ancient Indian temple architectures (common source?)
narensomu
Frozen music ,to use a phrase
written by narensomu, 2008-07-10 06:48:37
Partha , Dwai

I have seen the musical pillars in Madurai-They do make music-my Aunt and Uncle used to take me to temples whenever I visited them. They also patiently sat beside me while I made amateur sketches of the details.

There are Yali sculptures [ a combo animal-I dont want to say mythical animal -who knows what animals could have existed then?]
whose mouths could hold a perfectly round ball of stone that neither went in nor could be pried out!The stone balls would roll in and out a little but never would fall out of their mouths!

There were stone chains with distinct links that stop our breaths.

I have to admit this with some shame-I havent been to Hampi either.

Mysooru or Mysore is a fascinating place-been there in the late nineties-A neatly planned town full of History-We also met Ms. Chamundi in her hilly abode .

btw,The expectations that this article has generated is a little scary now.:-)

Regards
ns
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narensomu
As they were busy carving
written by narensomu, 2008-07-10 06:23:31
Dear Karigar
Thanks for the encouragement .
The Aihole temple was a must read question for students-I didnt know "Kal" meant "stone" in Kannada too.

They were architecture labs alright,but is that the reason they were invaded later on many times-was that because they werent prepared?

Can sublime art and its expression make people too vulnerable?
Tamil writer Kalki says in one of his Historical novels that Mahendravarma Pallava spent too much time in pursuing his artistic interest-Chalukya Pulikesi invaded Kanchi and destroyed the city -His son Narasimha varma Pallava was an artist too but he was also a wrestler [ some combination!] -he returned the favor to Pulikesi.


It is a stray thought that has crossed my mind many times-tangential here-did what happened down the centuries happened, as the ancients suppressed their Kshatriya side and concentrated more on their arts and crafts side?

Varnashrama[ based not on birth but on individual aptitude] was a system that just ensured a balance in society and when that balance went off kilter , we had trouble.
Regards
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Hampi
written by dwai, 2008-07-09 20:15:34
Dear Partha,

Thanks for the confirmation.
I can sing paeans for Belur and Halebid myself (being a domicile of Karnataka for over 22 years...my home is in Mysooru) -- though, unfortunately for me, I haven't had a chance to visit the Hampi area (same as living 2 years in Delhi, we never managed to see the Taj Mahal).

I am very excited about this series by NS -- this is going to be enlightening.
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partha
No myth!
written by P. Desikan, 2008-07-09 16:49:39
No myth, dear Dwai, the pillar exists. Such pillars also exist in quite a few large temples which include the famous shrines at Madurai and Chidambaram. And do read about the intricately carved scuptural marvels of Belur and Halebid in karnataka. Karigar, don't you want to sing about them to our Dwai?
Regards. Partha
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Indic Architecture
written by dwai, 2008-07-09 16:07:51
A long time ago I'd seen a documentary about the Hampi site and how there were 7 pillars in the main courtyard which sounded the 7 notes of the octave when struck. Apparently the Kings would sit in the courtyard and there would be musicians playing by striking these pillars.

What kind of Engineering mind would it have taken to think of such a contraption! Does anyone here know whether this is just a myth or if these pillars do exist?
karigar
Bravo
written by karigar, 2008-07-09 08:27:59
NS
Bravo!...(I need not say more, except that this praise means we are holding you accountable for the next few on this theme you've promised..smilies/smiley.gif

The Badami (Vatapi of the Chalukyas of the 7th/8th century CE) area is our family base for many reasons, & I grew up on the temples & deities of this area. The sites at Aihole & Pattadkall (Transl: Foundation stone / base for palace / throne) are like 'Architecture Labs' where one can see experiments of 6th /7th century on all the styles later found in Areas from Orissa to Deep south....many finished & semi finished Temples/models dotted over a sq km area...perhaps you could shed light on this in some article later...

Great write up, good narrative, nice layout (your article, I mean...I wouldn't be competent to 'rate' temples smilies/wink.gif )
narensomu
Much misunderstood cultures
written by narensomu, 2008-07-09 07:26:07
Dear Dwai
Yes, the two cultures and their places of worship seem very similar-note also the way they get described by the West-animistic, cult based, polytheistic and what not.
Yes, regarding the temples in the North and South, that is the reason-I mention that in the article -also in the South a worshipper would never be allowed to touch the moorthys.Less disturbed, less changes in hoary traditions.
Please read John Yale 's [ later Swami Vidyatmananda]"A yankee and the Swamis" published by R K Math.
More details and sensitive thoughts on temples and practices with the Historical context interwoven.
Regards
ns
narensomu
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written by narensomu, 2008-07-09 07:17:16
Dear Partha
Thank you for quoting the lines that form the essence of the article.
I read a paper in the college [sometime in 2002] where I was teaching-it was an informal reading-my peers thought I had my head in clouds.
But I realise ,without a grounding in Indic thoughts it would be hard for anyone to have their "head in clouds!"
Awakening is the right word as "slumber"was what preceded that state.
The thought about the Prince who renounced the World wasnt tangential, he surely wasnt thinking about building great monuments to express power but what he built was not temporal at all.
And yes, TN is the last bastion as far as the bilding type is concerned-not much disturbed, almost stays in the form that it was meant to be centries ago-just that now vulgar song shoots go on all over the premises,well...hope things become alright.
A M Rajagopalan of Kumudam jodhidam writes often about this issue-what he says about powerful yantras built in to the bases of moorthys concur with what a Srilankan acupncturist / magneto therapist I met said about temples being dynamos/power centers...
Regards
ns
narensomu
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written by narensomu, 2008-07-09 07:05:13
Dr
Thank you!
This has fascinated me since very long and it is even more fascinating to discuss this now.
Pls read Shri Rao's articles at Sulekha-it is what every art and architecture student just doesnt get to learn.
Regards
ns
Regards
ns
narensomu
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written by narensomu, 2008-07-09 07:03:00
Dear Hatimtai
Thank you!I think I 'd start the next part from what I think would have been a beginning to this building type.
The more we go far in this field, the more aware we become of how little we know...
Our respect for the ancients only grows more.

Regards
ns
partha
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written by P. Desikan, 2008-07-09 06:58:41
Of course dear Dwai,
There were ravages in the south as well, but nothing compared to the successive and ruthless destruction that was inflicted on the North and not only on buildings!
Regards. Partha
rudra
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written by rudra, 2008-07-08 21:57:06
Dear NS,

I too share the sentiments from the other comments by our friends.
You have woven in the two sides of the story very well into your narrative and I was drawn into the the Egyptian Temples and reminded of our own temples in Southern India at the same time.

About the difference between Northern and Southern Indian temples -- could it be because of the relative protection the south faced from marauding barbarians (that the North bore the brunt of)?

Kudos on a very well written and illustrated article.
partha
Tangent
written by P. Desikan, 2008-07-08 18:37:35
Dear Narensomu,
Here is another tangential thinking as well.
Prince Siddhartha, who sat under the tree and meditated, to find answers for the suffering of humanity certainly found some significant answers. These are unlikely to have included architectural plans either for viharas or temples. Is it not easier to imagine that the Indic architectural knowledge and skills and sculptural knowledge and skills that were available in North India in olden days were utilized in building ALL these structures for spiritual, religious and social public utilities, independent of the religious label?
And that the most ornate, most beautiful and most elaborate works may have been singled out for destruction by unthinking invaders later?
Warm regards. Partha.
partha
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written by P. Desikan, 2008-07-08 18:26:19
Dear Narensomu,

I was thrilled by your awakening, which is described by you in these telling stages:

the spatial experience of an Egyptian temple, as I visualize it as follows;
'Start tall with the imposing tower'
Take the worshiper forward in a path that is focused to the main part of the complex
Make him deliberately experience diminishing levels of lighting as he goes forward, sort of switching off the external controls
And lead him towards the innermost cave like space that has the lowest ceiling height and thereby induce tranquility.
A space where the worshiper could be quiet with himself.
It was not exactly a space meant for group worship, but one that is meant for individual worship, rather an introspective experience.

and later

The conformist who listened to ancient wisdom became a conformist of another kind after joining college. This new conformist believed whatever the text books said were true and didn’t apply her mind to analyze, synthesize, compare and contrast the rich culture she had a background of with those she was studying about, just as her peers did then. She went home and told her mother that the temples were actually derived from the Buddhist Viharas of yore and the Hindus hadn’t worshipped in any built structure before roughly second century CE. Why I now think this theory should be looked at and studied closely again is also the point I want to discuss in the next paper.

Shall look forward to the details of the awakening.
Warm regards.
Partha
gangp
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written by Dr. Pradip Gangopadh, 2008-07-08 16:56:10
Fascinating article!
Hatimtai
Nice account
written by Sreeparna, 2008-07-08 16:22:41
Dear NS,

A well written account of this journey through the architectural aspect with your personal touch!
Loved it and will look forward to more from this series..


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